Mouthpiece sizes: do they measure up?

In the last couple of days, I spent some time writing about Bach trumpet mouthpieces. What about other manufacturers? There are many very good mouthpiece makers with varying philosophies on tone production.

The number one factor for most trumpeters in determining a mouthpiece is the (inner) rim diameter. Most of us have gone with Vincent Bach’s recommendation in choosing as large a size as possible:

We recommend that all brass instrumentalists — professional artists, beginners or advanced students; symphony, concert or jazz band — use as large a cup diameter as they can endure and a fairly deep cup. A larger mouthpiece with a fairly deep cup offers the advantages of a natural, compact, and uniform high, middle and low register, improved lip control, greater flexibility, and avoidance of missed tones. A larger-sized mouthpiece will also offer greater comfort, making it possible to secure a good tone quality even when the lips are swollen from too much playing.

Jens Lindemann does not take the exact opposite stance as Bach, but he comes close:

I believe that far too many trumpet players use mouthpieces that are basically too big. IMHO, going larger than a Bach 3C or the Yamaha/Schilke equivalent 14c4 or smaller than a Bach 7C or Yamaha/Schilke 11 should be considered ‘specialized’ equipment.

I feel like there is actually a lot of overlap in Bach’s and Jens’ philosophy. Playing a larger mouthpiece is great, but don’t play one too large. I can also honestly say that it is possible to play much larger mouthpiece than a 1X. It’s possible to play a 20mm mouthpiece and sound good, but it takes months to learn how to do it for most of us. I know because I have been making this transition in baroque trumpet playing. Nevertheless, for a modern trumpet, I think Jens’ notion that a non-specialized mouthpiece range is between 3C and 7C is reasonable.

Different manufacturers use different numbers to measure mouthpieces. We need to know how to compare. Fortunately there are comparison charts. My favorite is this one on the Mouthpiece Express website.

Apart from their philosophy of tone production, modern mouthpiece makers can be judged by their consistency and their ability to copy the relevant dimensions of any mouthpiece that a player may desire.

A good way to discriminate between good and bad mouthpieces is by doing A-B testing with experienced players listening. Starting out with 2 to 20 mouthpieces, keep eliminating the less-good ones until you have one or two winners. Switch roles, and have the listeners play. Do they wind up with the same choices? Sometimes yes, but often no.

Also, please keep in mind that that mouthpieces that do not immediately sound good might sound great with more practice. A mouthpiece that does not make the A-B testing cut could even potentially play better than its rivals if the player invests the time in learning how to resonate it well. This is a paradox that can benefit from the advice of a respected teacher, coach or friend.



3 responses to “Mouthpiece sizes: do they measure up?”

  1. Yes. I suspect this is especially true if you “grew up” on a smaller mp. Schilke made me a 12C2 trumpet mp that is similar to my early King Master Model cornet mp. I would call it medium. Round-ish rim, plays “big,” good flexibility, comfortable. But not too big. The big mp takes a lot of time to develop endurance and you may never get there; waste a lot of time. If you are a professional, that’s a different story. But, if you look back in history, a lot of those masters in jazz and classical were playing 7C, 10C, etc. Do what works for YOU.

  2. As a resident and professional for aobut 40 years, I live in Chicago. Sounds vary, as well as players, and stylings from Coast to Coast. I recall hearing Maurice Andre for the first time at Northwestern Univeristy In Evanston. Sitting a few rows away were Jerry Hey Charley Davis, and other of the boys from IU Maurice played about 4-5 concertos’s on all the horns. I am not one to sit counting mistakes, as some like to do. Maurice was the ultimate in his musicianship. sound, pitch. style, and I dont think I heard not even 1 blurb on his horn. Its back to do what works for you. I was influenced by others, but there comes the reality. it matters not about anyone but what you like sound wise, are happy playing on.

    1. Great recollection of Maurice André, Michael! I also heard him years ago in Huntsville, Alabama, and I don’t think I heard a missed note either–wonderful player! I *think* he played a Bach 1.5C for the larger horns and a 7EW for picc.

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